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General Election 2010 - BNP in Hackney North & Stoke Newington or Bethnal Green & Bow?

Hackney North & Stoke Newington - where feminist writer, Guardian and Mail on Sunday columnist Suzanne Moore is standing as an Independent - seems to be a microcosm of Britain. Ethnically diverse and trendy through gentrification though increasingly subject to the disorder and degeneracy produced by liberal policies, which includes in its long list of victims the very people liberalism was meant to protect: the poor of all races.

No education, no future.

Progressive education equals no education.

Soft policing means more crime.

Since no one expects a BNP MP to be elected in any borough other than Barking & Dagenham, all a BNP candidate has to do is be seen to defeat candidates who represent

1. feminism
2. liberalism
3. more taxes in the name of preventing climate change

It would be an excellent opportunity to appeal to the middle class voter as well as those whom the BNP now call the Civic British.

The BNP is planning to stand in Bethnal Green and Bow, but this would tend to take votes away from an excellent Muslim candidate there who supports "BNP-lite" policies, Hasib Hikmat.

http://www.unitedvoice.org.uk/object.html

It would be a lovely story if the BNP and a Muslim could do a deal on this one and together unite to more loudly denounce the liberal policies that have wreaked so much damage on the British of all races.

The idea of a BNP candidate giving his endorsement to a Muslim candidate in a constituency he is not contesting so that he can concentrate his energies on Hackney - which was where the BNP has its historical roots - would be a brave move.

REASONS FOR THE BNP TO STAND IN BETHNAL GREEN

1. The white working classes of Bethnal Green and Bow have no white candidate at all to vote for. All the candidates are Muslim.

2. Bethnal Green is more likely to give a BNP candidate a respectable vote, while venturing into the liberal stronghold of Hackney is high-risk.

REASONS FOR THE BNP TO STAND IN HACKNEY NORTH

1. The publicity generated by such a BNP raid on enemy territory would be heartening for those who wish for the return of the death penalty as a solution to dealing with the increasing numbers of criminal and murderous youth. Calling for the death penalty after the callous shooting of Agnes Sina-Inakoju last Wednesday would be a more constructive way of showing sympathy for her and those who grieve for her than yet more liberal handwringing by Suzanne Moore and her unbelievably fatuous suggestion that teaching feral youth in secondary schools that shooting people is wrong would end gun crime!

2. Challenging Green policies would also be pleasing to climate change deniers.

3. Being seen to be doing a deal with a Muslim would have a massive impact on the public perception of the BNP nationwide. Muslims and the BNP have one important thing in common anyway - their opposition to the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. For the BNP to be seen to be soliciting the Muslim bloc vote will send out all sorts of nuanced yet reassuring messages to Muslims.

Of course such a challenge would require a candidate of exceptional quality and rare courage.

For a BNP candidate with no hope of becoming MP what should be the most rational consideration *is the amount of local and national interest such a BNP candidate would generate*, rather than how many votes he would get, because he cannot hope to win in either.

The majority of poor people irrespective of race in a high-crime neighbourhood would support the death penalty. Indeed, they may even support a BNP candidate if this is what he offers them what in fact amounts to

*a referendum on the death penalty* and

*a vote against Green policies of yet more taxation and regulation*

Should a BNP candidate stand in Bethnal Green just to give the white working classes of Bethnal Green a white non-Muslim candidate to vote for, to show them that they have not been abandoned?

Which constituency should a BNP candidate stand in - Bethnal Green & Bow or Hackney North & Stoke Newington, if he could only choose one?

Which borough would make a better story for the media?

This has also been put to both the Hackney Gazette and the East London Advertiser.

Vote YES if you think the BNP should stand in Hackney North & Stoke Newington.

Vote NO if you think the BNP should stand in Bethnal Green & Bow.
Vote: Should the BNP stand a candidate in Hackney North & Stoke Newington or Bethnal Green & Bow if they can only choose one or the other?

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Members Comments

AndrewSlade 21-Apr-2010 14:0
Hackney N & Stoke Jewington is about as far from being a microcosm of Britain as could possibly be. The place is a genocide, a post holocaust society, whose indigenous population have been largely exterminated by the incorrigibly anti English racist policies of Acne Council over decades. This apartheid regime, represented by Diane Abbott and her Spanish TV boyfriend cannot be opposed by an aboriginal candidate, because their abortion abattoirs have already murdered and sterilised so many of our people in this constituency that there are no longer enough of us left alive there to oppose them by "democratic" means. Not that they believe in "democracy" anyway (see Doncaster).
estivboy 21-Apr-2010 10:44
"Blacks will vote for a black candidate and - at root - they long for moral certainty and tough law and order policies". Right and Chinese and Indian kids are good at maths!

I believe Jeffery Marshal is not quite sure what biological determinism means except that he believes it doesn't apply to white people but is quite clear in his thinking that blacks go for a bit of moral certainty and tough law and order policies. ALL black people are right wing, no liberals amongst the lot of them. The sooner people accept that making generalisations about a whole race in respect to their innate "preferences," is at odds with the genetic evidence that suggests that there is no such thing as race, only culture, then maybe race relations might move forward a little. The genetic difference between me and a non-white amounts solely to markers, i.e. hair colour, eyes, pigmentation.

“The BNP would promote similar policies, but if they stood in Hackney they would only get a tiny vote because they are perceived by the blacks and liberal middle classes as racist”. Not much to say on this except that if you restrict membership to whites then I would say that is a very good indication that you are a racist. Well perceived I’d say.

Like I said earlier, if a black candidate can appeal to people by setting out attractive policies then what does it matter. They’re not going home so you might as well go and try talk to them. They have red blood too.

Finally. “But perhaps the major parties understand that whereas white British people do not necessarily vote according to biological determinism, blacks and Muslims usually do - when they are given the option”. If the white people are so open and accepting why the suggestion that they will feel left out? I’ll not mention the sweeping generalization inherent in that statement again as I’ve already covered that.
jeffreymarshall 19-Apr-2010 20:21
Andromeda cleverly delineates the characters of these two adjoining boroughs and the somewhat different ways they are affected by both immigration and gentrification.

Certainly if any area deserves hard-line, zero tolerance policies on drugs and crime it is Hackney – for liberalism is literally killing people there, such as poor Agnes Sina-Inakoju last Wednesday.

For this reason I hope that George Hargreaves' Christian Party will one day attempt to make a serious impact in Hackney.

Blacks will vote for a black candidate and - at root - they long for moral certainty and tough law and order policies.

The BNP would promote similar policies, but if they stood in Hackney they would only get a tiny vote because they are perceived by the blacks and liberal middle classes as racist.

Of course it may well be – as Andromeda suggests - that by standing in Bethnal Green & Bow the BNP would gain votes from those who are wondering why every single other candidate – Labour, Liberal Democrat, Conservative, Respect and United Voice derives from Bangladesh rather than Britain.

The Bengali population there is actually 40% - not 100%.

But perhaps the major parties understand that whereas white British people do not necessarily vote according to biological determinism, blacks and Muslims usually do - when they are given the option.
estivboy 19-Apr-2010 11:10
This is what I believe is a very foolish statement. "Should a BNP candidate stand in Bethnal Green just to give the white working classes of Bethnal Green a white non-Muslim candidate to vote for, to show them that they have not been abandoned?"

Really, the white people feel abandoned? Is the politics of a running candidate subject to some law of biological determinism? That muslims couldn’t possibly come up with a political idea that has wide appeal? The statement says a lot about the person who wrote it but actually nothing about the working classes they are claiming to have sympathy with. Who says that just because you are white working class you will feel that the only person who can represent you is also white. I'm white from a working class background and find the patronising tone of whoever wrote this to be very offensive. Stop making gross generalisations about whole groups of people, such as "The majority of poor people irrespective of race in a high-crime neighbourhood would support the death penalty." Poor does not mean stupid, racist, climate change denier and death penalty supporter.
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