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6 December 11
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MONARCHY - or republic?
constitutional monarchy - republic
Should our Constitutional Monarchy be replaced by a Republic?
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If you retain a Queen you also in some way retain a dictatorship, based on birthright. It is an archaic system of priviledge that has no place in a modern society.
You may argue that it brings stability but you have no comparison. By that i mean i don't think it is valid to look at failed Republics and say "There's one, glad we haven't done that!"
How do you know whether the UK would be either better or worse off if it took a different historical path.
Boudicca claims the Queen is a uniting factor in times of crisis, I believe that was Winston Churchill.
Yes, about time!
I love that Britain has a monarchy, maybe that's because I spent the majority of my childhood in the United States. As a loyal subject of the crown I'd honestly go to war to protect the monarchy. At this point I don't see how removing the monarch would change the political situation in any positive, or negative for that matter, way.
On a side note, I think the greatest system of government hitherto practiced by man is the Golden Liberty of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. I won't go into details here but there's plenty of info on the web about it.
TheBritishCitizen, I find your reference to the supposed 'disgusting and divisive' class system very interesting, especially having grown up in the States. The problem there is, given its lack of class system and money as the sole status symbol, you have tons of people with power and money who have no concept of civility, manners, propriety, or civic duty. The positive side is that the commonest of commoners is often the most gentlemanly person you will come across.
In Britain I find the reverse to be true. A significant majority of the British public is scum, and there's a blindingly noticeable historical correlation between the chipping away at the power of the monarchy and aristocracy and an increase in vile, degenerate behavior among the lower orders in British society. This of course was sped along by welfare-statehood in the post-war period, but I do honestly think the waning power of the aristos has been on the whole incredibly detrimental to British society.
Sorry for the tangent. Back to the original question. No. God Save the Queen!
Can't buy into the whole kings and queens and princes thing... it's archaic and straight out of some kind of fairytale nonsense.
The whole royalty and honours system serves only to prolongue the disgusting and divisive class system in this country.
For a more complete critique, see http://www.thebritishcitizen.com/monarchy/
Don't suggest we line them up against a wall, but they all need to quietly shuffled off somewhere, like Disneyland, for the tourists and allowed to fade away.
I do not see why we cannot both have a CONSTITUTIONAL monarchy and a democracy. While I understand his point that you cannot both be a republic and a monarchy, a CONSTITUTIONAL monarch can be head of anything since it has no power and is but a figurehead. The Queen is after all head of Australia and a lot of other countries the British have now forgotten they colonised.
Ultimately you can't have a Monarchy and a Democracy! What we have in the UK is a Monarchy dressed up as a Democracy. A Democracy is a republic by definition.
Although the monarchy is largely ceremonial, it does imply an acceptance, by the public, of a non-democratic form of government. I think the time is right for some reforms e.g. to require the head of state to deliver the queens speech from the commons, to reinforce their supremacy over the lords.
keep a higher power, for when the government cocks up big time, but cut down on all the money and attention spent on them. There just people, like you or me.
The system of government which the British people have adopted in London APPEARETH to be good, for it is adorned with the light of both kingship and of the consultation of the people.
(Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 93)
Although a republican form of government profiteth all the peoples of the world, yet the majesty of kingship is one of the signs of God. We do not wish that the countries of the world should remain deprived thereof. If the sagacious combine the two forms into one, great will be their reward in the presence of God.
(Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 27)
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